This is a list of correspondences between the Seth Material and the Ra Material, not in any particular order. I begun this draft 2021/11/24.
I have a great respect for both these sources, Seth and Ra, and this study of correspondences is not intended to demean either of these sources at the expense of the other. In fact, my intention is to underscore the common, metaphysical truth inherent in both.
I may add other teachers, such as Neville Goddard. All these sources were and are great lights in the ‘New Thought’ and subsequent ‘New Age’ movement. However, my focus is upon Seth and Ra as they are quite profound and of the highest quality. They are both channeled teachers and surely benevolent in intention. Yet, they are very different. Seth is a former earth human who attained basic mastery of the earth sphere and moved onto greater metaphysical realms. Ra is a collective of entities of sixth density who countless ages ago inhabited the world known today as Venus. The Ra group had visited humans in the ancient past with the benevolent role as teachers, but due to their naïveté actually caused harm to humans. They state in their material that part of their contact is to make amends for the quite unintended harm. They specifically offer the knowledge of the Law of One. The honor of the Ra group placed themselves under the obligation of not infringing upon free will and this kept them tight-lipped about some matters. Seth, on the other hand, freely discoursed about numerous subjects, providing information in a manner that most persons could begin to grasp with some effort—no mean task considering the bewildering subject of metaphysics.
My occasionally expanding list of correspondences, then, is a source of delight and excitement to me. The idea that the metaphysical universe could be reduced to a uniform textbook of instruction is rather simple-minded. But surely universal truth peeks its head out of the woodwork in both sources. Therefore, what I have found and related here deeply satisfies me. I hope that seekers of truth who have become students of the Seth and Ra Materials also find enlightenment and expanded knowledge like me.
It is of course possible that some of my correspondences are more tentative than others. I feel very confident about the correspondence between nexi and coordination points. However, my belief that Seth touches upon densities when he refers to ever “stronger concentrations of energy” requires more speculation on my part. And I could, of course, be mistaken or confused about some of my discoveries.
Despite my growing list of correspondences, there are many times that the Seth Material and the Ra Material do not seem to agree. For example, Ra introduces a kind of ascension, involving the qualification of a human for fourth density which specifically requires being a loving person 51% of the time. Seth, on the other hand, nowhere seems to introduce anything explicitly about densities, but he does explain that once a person understands how he creates his reality to a certain degree, he is no longer obliged to return to incarnation in physical life. These both involve a kind of transition out of this physical milieu, but under different criteria.
I have added bold to many if not all of the quotes to draw the reader to the portion of the material that is key to concept that I have found treated in both sources. However, many times, the original source has the text emphasized in bold, italics, or underlined, particularly in the Seth Material.
I acknowledge the copyright of each respective source, Seth Material, and the Law of One—Ra Material. These quotes are not meant to challenge them and are presented as part of a serious study of both materials.
I used search engines provided online, findingseth.com and lawofone.info. I also used my physical copies of the Seth Material, especially the nine volumes of the The Early Sessions available from the sethcenter.com website.
♦ One Original Thought ♦
The notion of One Original Thought is especially important to the Ra Material where the Ra beings are particularly motivated to teach the “Law of One.” Yet, Seth also had touched upon it earlier in Jane Roberts’ channelings.
SETH
“Your physical universe represents one thought in changing aspects of becoming, with all possibilities inherent within the thought unfolding into existence. The thought also exists in other systems, being materialized according to other camouflage patterns, and entirely different possibilities arising because of the differences.”
—The Early Sessions Book 8, Session 343, May 22, 1967
RA
82.9 Questioner: Are these central original creations a cluster of what we call stars, then?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the closer to the, shall we say, beginning of the manifestation of the Logos the star is, the more it partakes in the one original thought.
—Law of One, 82.10, March 27, 1982, (bold text as provided in the lawofone.info website)
82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.
Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.
—Law of One, 82.10, March 27, 1982, (bold text as provided in the lawofone.info website)
“Love is the great one original Thought. It cannot be bought; it cannot be manipulated; and it cannot be killed. It may become obvious that we are not speaking of romantic love, which is prey to all these difficulties. We are not speaking of the love of friendship or any other definition of love which may be put into words. Indeed, could we find an unique word which would express the beautiful, terrible love which created all that there is, we would use it. Yet this concept lies so far within the area of the deep mind its reality can only be reached through the non-words which may be called “faith.” This love is single, and within it are all things, all entities, thoughts, artifacts, seeming objects and each and every energy within the infinity of creation. Each of you is love. This is your reality, your absoluteness, your unchangeable nature, your truth.”
— Q’uo, 1988, 0403; bold added by me
♦ Benevolent Universe ♦
Seth mentions from time to time, explicitly and sometimes indirectly, that the universe is good. Ra mentions it in passing in the discussion of a different topic.
SETH
“Instead, I am telling you that the universe is a good universe. That it knows its own vitality and that vitality is within you. You can encourage it freely. It does not need to be coddled. Your own nature is a good nature and you can trust it. Because something is difficult does not mean it is good.”.”
—Early Class Sessions, Book 3, ESP Class Session, January 12, 1971, bold added by me
RA
“…Let us say, for want of a more precise adjective, that this Logos has a bias towards kindness.”
—Law of One, 90:21, June 19, 1982
♦ Coordination Points and Nexi ♦
Seth speaks a lot about these geometrically precise, magnetically determined points. Chapter Five of Seth Speaks (Session 524) is largely dedicated to this topic. In the appendix to Seth Speaks, more is given about coordination points in Session 593. Ra speaks of “electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance.” This was the first explicit correspondence that I discovered, with much delight, between the two sources.
SETH
“Other kinds of consciousness coexist within the same “space” that your world inhabits. They do not perceive your physical objects, for their reality is composed of a different camouflage structure. You do not perceive them, and generally speaking they do not perceive you. This is a general statement, however, for various points of your realities can and do coincide, so to speak.
These points are not recognized as such, but they are points of what you could call double reality, containing great energy potential; coordinate points, indeed, where realities merge. There are main coordinate points, pure mathematically, sources of fantastic energy, and subordinate coordinate points, vast in number.
(Long pause at 9:29.) There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another. They also act as transformers, and provide much of the generating energy that makes creation continuous in your terms. (Many pauses.)
Your space is filled with these subordinate points, and as you will see later, these are important in allowing you to transform thoughts and emotions into physical matter. When a thought or emotion attains a certain intensity, it automatically attracts the power of one of these subordinate points, and is therefore highly charged, and in one way magnified, though not in size.
These points impinge upon what you call time, as well as space. There are certain points in time and space, therefore, (again in your terms), that are more conducive than others, where both ideas and matter will be more highly charged. Practically speaking, this means that buildings will last longer; in your context, that ideas wedded to form will be relatively eternal. The pyramids, for example, are a case in point.
(Slow at 9:43.) These coordinate points — absolute, main, or subordinate — represent accumulations or traces of pure energy, minute to an extreme if you are thinking in terms of size — smaller than any particle of which your scientists know for example, but composed of pure energy. And yet this energy must be activated. It is dormant until then — and it cannot be activated physically.”
—Seth Speaks, Chapter 5: Session 524, April 20, 1970, bold added by me
RA
15.9 Questioner: Can you tell me a little bit about the definition of the word “balancing” as we are using it?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love, creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.
In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.
—Law of One, 15.9, January 30, 1981
♦ Higher Densities ♦
The Ra Material introduced the concept of various ‘densities’ of reality where each one required the inhabitants to be able to use or otherwise work with an increasingly higher, perhaps qualitatively higher level of energy. Seth doesn’t identify them as such, but it seems clear to me that he very much understands the concept. The term density is probably specific to the Ra Material. At the beginning of the Ra Material, the term ‘dimension’ is used. Without any explicit reason, the term is then changed to ‘density’ in the Ra Material, most likely to clarify that it is not truly the same as a conventional dimension.
SETH
Seth: “Yours is not a system of reality formed by the most intense concentration of energy. Other portions of yourself, therefore, of which you are not consciously aware, do inhabit what you could call a super system of reality in which consciousness learns to handle and perceive much stronger concentrations of energy.”
—Unknown Reality 2, Session 715, October 28, 1974
“The very matter of your physical brain has its greater reality in the mind, and behind that mind is another mind, and behind that another, and behind that another, and yet all of this is your mind. The mind of the larger self, you do not know.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 9, Session 489, June 23, 1969
“There are also portions connected with your identity, however, within other systems, and these are more advanced than your own psychological self.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 305, November 30, 1966
Q’uo (RA)
“The Law of One suggests not that you follow the Creator or its prophet or representative, but that you become aware that you are the Creator. Therefore, it suggests that you take responsibility for your life, your choices, and the way you live, day by day and hour by hour. It is not a philosophy that places urgency upon this quest for the truth. It is a philosophy that says that you have all the time that you need to make your choices and to follow your evolutionary path to complete the circle that you have begun, from the Creator, moving through densities and densities of experience into the heart of the one Creator once again, so that your source and your ending are the same and so that you never end.”
—Q’uo Channeling, October 16, 2010, bold added by me. Source quote available from pdf found here.
♦ Deception of the Physical Senses ♦
Seth makes it clear through his material that this physical world is a ‘camouflage reality,’ one of truly thousands and thousands of camouflage realities. This notion is very much connected with the concept that the body is fully the creature of the mind which is also presented elsewhere in this post. Ra discusses the meaning of ‘catalyst’, one of the archetypes. This process of limited or limitation of knowledge also seems to have a relationship with the principle of ‘way of confusion,’ also known as ‘the veil,’ in the Ra Material, which is critical to the principle of free will.
SETH
“Actually much data perceived directly by the mind bypasses the physical organism completely.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 6, Session 240, March 9, 1966
“There are several things that I shall ask you to understand. You are not stuck in time like a fly in a closed bottle, whose wings are therefore useless. You cannot trust your physical senses to give you a true picture of reality. They are lovely liars, with such a fantastic tale to tell that you believe it without question. You are sometimes wiser, more creative, and far more knowledgeable when you are dreaming than when you are awake.”
—Seth Speaks, Chapter 1: Session 511, January 21, 1970; bold added by me.
“In the various levels of existence the inner and outer egos begin to merge. Gradually direct experience of inner reality is spoon-fed by the inner ego through the mouth of the subconscious to the outer ego. The division between the inner and outer egos is necessary for other reasons than the nature of direct experience itself. That is, the outer ego is shielded from direct experience of reality because it could not take the impact of such experience. But this is not the only reason.”
—The Early Sessions 1, Session 35, March 16, 1964; bold added by me
“Now basically, consciousness itself is a type of barrier, and anything that has consciousness experiences time to some degree. This degree may be so slight that to you it would not seem to exist at all. Self-consciousness presents a larger barrier, therefore the sense of time is greater. Psychological time is the lowest common denominator, so to speak, from your viewpoint. That is, many of the barriers disappear. Psychological time represents on your plane the closest you can come to the experience of timelessness as far as your physical laws are concerned.
—The Early Sessions 1, Session 35, March 16, 1964
The senses serve to blot out many more aspects of reality than they allow you to perceive. They are actually rather rigid limiting devices
—The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 284 September 7, 1966
RA
Law of One 93.20
93.20 Questioner: I was just wondering if the transparency of the garment on the third card indicates the semi-permeable nature of the veil between conscious and subconscious?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a thoughtful perception and cannot be said to be incorrect. However, the intended suggestion, in general, is an echo of our earlier suggestion that the nature of catalyst is that of the unconscious; that is, outward catalyst comes through the veil.
All that you perceive seems to be consciously perceived. This is not the correct supposition. All that you perceive is perceived as catalyst unconsciously. By the, shall we say, time that the mind begins its appreciation of catalyst, that catalyst has been filtered through the veil and in some cases much is veiled in the most apparently clear perception.
—Law of One 93.20, August 18, 1982, bold in body of text added by me for emphasis
♦ The Experience of Time is a Consequence of Consciousness ♦
Seth explains that the experience of time is the result of consciousness, especially self-consciousness, such as exists in humans. Ra does not directly state this, but incidentally mentions that “awareness or consciousness” first manifests when space/time comes into existence. In the Ra Material, space/time means the temporal experience of physical reality. In contrast, time/space means the world of spirit or the mental plane, sometimes associated with the astral.
SETH
“… Now basically, consciousness itself is a type of barrier, and anything that has consciousness experiences time to some degree. This degree may be so slight that to you it would not seem to exist at all. Self-consciousness presents a larger barrier, therefore the sense of time is greater.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 1, Session 35, March 16, 1964
RA
29.11 Questioner: Thank you. Yesterday you stated that planets in first density are in a timeless state to begin with. Can you tell me how the effect we appreciate as time comes into being?
Ra: I am Ra. We have just described to you the state of beingness of each Logos. The process by which space/time comes into continuum form is a function of the careful building, shall we say, of an entire or whole plan of vibratory rates, densities, and potentials. When this plan has coalesced in the thought complexes of Love, then the physical manifestations begin to appear; this first manifestation stage being awareness or consciousness.
At the point at which this coalescence is at the livingness or beingness point, the point or fountainhead of beginning, space/time then begins to unroll its scroll of livingness.”
—Ra 29.11; bold added by me and search engine
“… Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. With the veil space/time is the only obvious possibility for experience.”
—Law of One, 85.19
♦ Alternate Physical Realities ♦
Seth from time to time uses the expression, ‘camouflage reality.’ In the Ra Material, the term, ‘illusion’ is sometimes used. Seth explains that while the nature of the mental universe or “framework 2” remains consistent, the physical universe or “framework 1” is truly just one of millions of variations of physical reality. Ra explains that the ‘logos,’ a cosmic entity associated with each galaxy, has power to create its own variations of reality. Furthermore, each sun within the galaxy can further elaborate within the particular rules set for the galaxy in which it operates.
SETH
“You are, or scientists are, working within what may be described as one small cube within literally millions of somewhat similar though different cubes, the cubes all representing various camouflage universes.”
—The Early Sessions, Session 45, April 20, 1964
RA
19.12 Questioner: This seems to be a carefully planned or engineered stage of development. Can you tell me anything of the origin of this plan for the development?
Ra: I am Ra. We go back to previous information. Consider and remember the discussion of the Logos. With the primal distortion of free will, each galaxy developed its own Logos. This Logos has complete free will in determining the paths of intelligent energy which promote the lessons of each of the densities given the conditions of the planetary spheres and the sun bodies.
—Law of One, 19.12; bold added by me
90.17 Questioner: Is Ra familiar with the archetypical mind of some other Logos that is not the same as the one we experience?
Ra: I am Ra. There are entities of Ra which have served as far Wanderers to those of another Logos. The experience has been one which staggers the intellectual and intuitive capacities, for each Logos sets up an experiment enough at variance from all others that the subtleties of the archetypical mind of another Logos are most murky to the resonating mind, body, and spirit complexes of this Logos.
—Law of One, 90.17; bold added by me
29.2 Questioner: Then I am assuming this sub-Logos created this planetary system in all of its densities. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sub-Logos of your solar entity differentiated some experiential components within the patterns of intelligent energy set in motion by the Logos which created the basic conditions and vibratory rates consistent throughout your, what you have called, major galaxy.
—Law of One, 29.2; bold added by me
♦ Probability/Possibility Vortices ♦
The concept of different variations of time is sometimes entertained in science fiction. For Seth and Ra, it’s a factual reality in the universe. This of course, confirms what some believe about timelines and so forth. Seth calls these ‘probable selves’ and ‘probable worlds.’
SETH
“Now: The year 1980 exists in all of its potential versions, now in this moment. Because mass events are concerned there is not a completely different year, of course, for each individual on the face of the planet—but there are literally an endless number of mass-shared worlds of 1980 “in the wings,” so to speak.
It is not quite as simple a matter as just deciding what events you want to materialize as reality, since you have, in your terms, a body of probabilities of one kind or another already established as the raw materials for the coming year. It would be quite improbable for you, Joseph [as Seth called Robert Butts], to suddenly turn into a tailor, for example, for none of your choices with probabilities have led toward such an action.
In like manner, England in all probability next year will not suddenly turn into a Mohammedan nation. But within the range of workable probabilities, private and mass choices, the people of the world are choosing their probable 1980s.”
—Dreams, Evolution, and Value Fulfilment 1, Chapter 3: Session 891, December 26, 1979; bold text added by me
RA
16.56 Questioner: And then if, say, an entity daydreams strongly about battling, let us say, another entity, would this occur?
Ra: I am Ra. In this case the entity’s fantasy concerns the self and other-self; this binds the thought-form to the possibility/probability complex connected with the self which is the creator of this thought-form. This then would increase the possibility/probability of bringing this into third-density occurrence.
—Law of One 16.56, January 1, 1981
Note: In the Q’uo channelings, there is discussion of how the earth is in a ‘time lateral.’ This a huge topic and probably well beyond the scope of probabilities. But it is worth mention in passing.
♦ Body is Creature of the Mind ♦
Seth explains in many passages that the mind creates and forms the body. Ra reveals that the body is the creature of the mind. The Seth citations given are hardly exhaustive on this topic.
Ra often uses the expression ‘mind-body-spirit’ to indicate the tripartite unity of the soul. While the body is metaphysically inferior to the mind, that is, dependent upon the mind which is necessarily a priori, the body is placed after the mind in the order of this expression. This is to encode the body’s dependence upon the mind. The word ‘spirit’ is included last to show that its integration into the soul occurs after the chief integration of mind and body.
Ra further explains that the far-future sixth density stage of the human soul, which corresponds with the sixth energy center (pineal gland or indigo-ray), is the form-maker at the time of reincarnation. This higher self, however, is not necessarily exactly the same as the inner being—and yet there seems to be a kind of reduplication between the two.
SETH
“Thoughts and emotions as independent electrical actions have great influence directly on the physical mechanism.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 123, January 20, 1965
“You adopt and make a body. You do this now without knowing that you do so, but a body can be made from the camouflage of any system, constructed easily when you know how to do it.”
—The Personal Sessions, Book 2, Session 604, January 12, 1972
“The same power that moves your mind forms your body.”
—Nature of Personal Reality, Chapter 7, Session 630, December 11, 1972
“Quite literally, the “inner self” forms the body by magically transforming thoughts and emotions into physical counterparts. You grow the body. Its condition perfectly mirrors your subjective state at any given time. Using atoms and molecules, you build your body, forming basic elements into a form that you call your own.”
—Seth Speaks, Chapter 3, Session 520, March 25, 1970
“The mind is distributed throughout the whole physical body. The mind builds up about it the physical camouflages necessary for existence on your physical plane. The mind receives data from the inner senses and forms the camouflage necessary. The mind unconsciously or unself-consciously deals with the basic laws according to the camouflage effect that is vital for survival on your physical plane. The mind is the tool which must be used.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 1, Session 19 January 27, 1964
RA
…the Great Way of the Body must be seen, as are all the archetypes of the body, to be a mirror image of the thrust of the activity of the mind. The body is the creature of the mind and is the instrument of manifestation for the fruits of mind and spirit. Therefore, you may see the body as providing the athanor through which the alchemist manifests gold.
—Law of One, 81.14
Firstly, although the functions of the mind are indeed paramount over those of the body, the body being the creature of the mind, certainly not all actions of a mind/body/spirit complex could be seen to be due to the potentiating qualities of the mind complex alone as the body and in some cases the spirit also potentiates action. Secondly, as a mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the process of spiritual evolution, more and more of the activities of the mind and body which precipitate activity are caused by those portions of the mind/body/spirit complex which are articulated by the archetypes of Transformation.
—Law of One, 92:19
♦ The Nature of the Veil ♦
This correspondence is possibly less obvious, but profoundly valid. Seth occasionally uses the word veil in the metaphysical sense in which Ra frequently uses it. For Seth, the crux of the matter is not the veil, but the relationship of the inner being and the outer ego. On the other hand, Ra paints the veil in great metaphysical strokes, informing the transcendent purpose of the veil. There are long discussions (long by the standards of the Ra Contact) between Don Elkins and the Ra Community about the development of the veil, based on the principle of the ‘Way of Confusion,’ occurring eons in the past history of our galaxy. As part of the archetypes, the ‘Matrix of the Mind’ corresponds to the conscious mind and the ‘Potentiator of the Mind’ to the unconscious or inner mind. Seth, on the other hand, focuses more on the relationship between the inner being and the outer being which he typically calls the egotistical mind. In his explanation of this relationship, he often describes aspects that are properly the effects of the veil. The Ra Material discusses the veil and the so-called veiling in many places and so the quotes given here are not exhaustive. The key is where Ra calls the ‘veiling process’ a ‘space/time’ phenomenon. This simply means that Ra, like Seth, acknowledges that the physical body is the means to the operation of the veil.
The correspondences and yet clear differences in viewpoints and language bring to light for me the authenticity of the Seth and the Ra Materials. The two sources have such overlap in meaning, not because they are copying each other, but because they are describing the same aspects of the universe in which we exist.
SETH
“only the veil of unawareness divides you, as only the veil of unawareness ever separates one field or plane from another.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 97, October 14, 1964
“Personal identity, the basic “I”, is a product of the subconscious, and as such it exists as an actuality within the electric field; because of this it is basically independent of the physical field, held to it mainly by the ego. The ego directs the identity toward physical orientation. This is an important point.
The ego does not exist within the electrical field. The ego is a product of the physical field, formed from physical birth on. The inner identity and individuality, as you know, has its origins long before this. The inner self adopts an ego in order to allow manipulation within the physical universe, and yet part of the ego is composed of portions from the inner self, while the bulk of the ego is allowed to develop through physical heredity and environment.
The breath of life, so to speak, is breathed into the ego by the inner self, but from that point on the ego is independent.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 126 January 27, 1965; bold added by me
“Your neuronal structure necessitates a certain focus so that other experiences counter to your conscious assumptions remain probable or latent.”
—Nature of Personal Reality, Chapter 15: Session 655, April 11, 1973
“There is no veil through which human perception cannot see, except the veil of ignorance which is pulled down by the materialistic ego.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 4, Session 180 August 23, 1965
“Yet there will always be a veil between the waking and sleeping consciousness, for while you are physical, the waking mind can only deal with so much information.”
—Nature of the Psyche, Chapter 8: Session 785, August 2, 1976
RA
79.21 Questioner: The first change made then for this extension of free will was to make the information or make the communication between the Matrix and Potentiator of the Mind relatively unavailable one to the other during the incarnation. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. We would perhaps rather term the condition as relatively more mystery-filled than relatively unavailable.
79.22 Questioner: Well, the idea then was to create some type of veil between Matrix and Potentiator. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
79.23 Questioner: This veil then occurs between what we now call the conscious and the unconscious mind. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
—Law of One, 79.21 through 23
…the veiling process is a space/time phenomenon…
—Law of One, 83.3
83.15 Questioner: Is the veil supposed to be what I would call semi-permeable?
Ra: I am Ra. The veil is indeed so.
—Law of One, 83.15
♦ Body transformed at Death ♦
I first encountered this notion in the Ra Material. This of course does not mean the physical body in the illusory physical world of camouflage reality. We’re not talking about the biological decomposition of the physical body.
The body somehow was preserved, albeit in a different state upon death and entry into the spirit world. Seth discusses the continuation of the body after death as an electrical body rather than physical and the preservation of the egotistical self within the greater inner being.
It is interesting to note in passing that traditional Chinese beliefs present two aspects to the soul or body. I don’t know much about Chinese beliefs, but perhaps someone with more knowledge could analyze them in the light of these correspondences.
SETH
Every effect of any kind, experienced by the human being, exists as a series of electrical signals and codes, that in themselves form a pattern that is an electrical pattern.
They exist within the cells, or I should more properly say that the cells form about them. These electric coded signals then form electric counterparts of complete experience, as it has been felt by any given individual. It is, the pattern is, then independent of the physical system, while residing within it. In other words, each individual from birth on forms his own counterpart from built up, individual, continuous electric signals. At physical death, his personality then exists in its complete form, and of course escapes the sort of ending that it would suffer if it were an integral part of the physical system.
This electrical pattern is the personality, with all the experiences of its earthly time. It then can join or partake of the inner self. In other words, though the ego was adopted originally by the inner self, and was a product of physical heredity and environment, it does not die; but its existence is changed from physical reality to electrical reality. It is still individual. No individuality is lost, but it becomes a part of the inner self, and its experiences are added to the total experience of the many personalities that have composed the inner self.
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 125, January 27, 1965; bold added by me
RA
30.3 Questioner: Upon our physical death, as we call it, from this particular density and this particular incarnative experience, we lose this chemical body. Immediately after the loss of this chemical body do we maintain a different type of body? Is there still a mind/body/spirit complex at that point?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The mind/body/spirit complex is quite intact; the physical body complex you now associate with the term body being but manifestation of a more dense and intelligently informed and powerful body complex.
—Law of One, 30.3; bold added by me and by the search engine
81.13 Questioner: [We have] already discussed the Significator, so I will skip to number thirteen. Transformation of Body is called Death, for with death the body is transformed to a higher-vibration body for additional learning. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may be seen to be additionally correct in that each moment and certainly each diurnal period of the bodily incarnation offers death and rebirth to one which is attempting to use the catalyst which is offered it.
—Law of One, 81.13
OTHER SOURCES
New Testament (KJV)
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all asleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
—First Corinthians 15:50 to 54
♦ Capacity of Conscious to Access Subconscious Power ♦
The Ra Material, in typically compact fashion, describes magic as the conscious making use of the subconscious. Both the Ra Material and the Seth Material acknowledge and expound upon the vast, world-building power continually exercised by the subconscious or unconscious mind.
SETH
“…Remember however that such psychic manipulation of matter is the normal occurrence.
It is however usually operating at subconscious levels, and without either knowledge or intent as far as the conscious mind is concerned. To be able to bring these natural but subconscious forces at all under any domination by the conscious mind is a terrific task.
Such domination will never be habitual, but conscious awareness of subconscious manipulation of matter may become habitual, and may often of its own accord follow the desires of the conscious mind, if certain conditions are met.
First of all, the conscious desires must be in league with, and unopposed by, subconscious expectations. Two, sufficient emotional impetus must be discharged, and this will be on or from subconscious levels. And three, communication between the conscious and subconscious, or the inner and so-called outer parts of the whole self, must be excellent.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 2, Session 81, August 26, 1964, italicized text converted from underlined text, bold added by me
RA
Ra: I am Ra. Magical ability is the ability to consciously use the so-called unconscious.
—The Law of One, 79.33
NEVILLE GODDARD
“Whatever the mind of man can conceive and feel as true, the subconscious can and must objectify.”
—Neville Goddard, from The Feeling is the Secret, originally published in 1944
♦ Higher Self or Oversoul ♦
The higher self is mentioned frequently in the Ra Material, despite the fact that it is less voluminous than the Seth Material. In fact, in one passage, the Questioner (Don Elkins) directly refers to the Seth Material. I have not included all the quotes from the Ra Material about the higher self. Indeed, some of the best stuff deals with using the higher self in magical ritual.
SETH
“You, as you know yourself, will not grow into this quote “higher” self. This higher self and you exist simultaneously. And yet the abilities and knowledge of this “higher” self can become part of your own conscious knowledge through the psychological bridge of which I have spoken.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 9, Session 501, September 17, 1969, bold added by me
“Now, you all have access, quite literally, to the energy that rides the universe that you know. Not indirect access, not second-handed access, but immediate personal access. The portion of yourself that you think of as a higher self exists now only awaiting your recognition and while it seems to you that you are looking for it I tell you again it is within, and it is within the self that you already know.”
—The Early Class Sessions, Book 2, ESP Class Session, October 27, 1970, bold added by me
RA
36.3 Questioner: Out of the Seth Material we have a statement here: Seth says that each entity here on Earth is one aspect or part of a higher self or Oversoul which has many aspects or parts in many dimensions all of which learn lessons which enable the higher self to progress in a balanced manner. Am I to understand from this, is it correct that there are, shall we say, possibly many experiences similar to the one that we experience here in the third density that are governed by a single higher self? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The correctness of this statement is variable. The more in balance an entity becomes, the less the possibility/probability vortices may need to be explored in parallel experiences.
—Law of One, 36.3
36.9 Questioner: Is the higher self of every entity of a sixth-density nature?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. This is an honor/duty of self to self as one approaches seventh density.
—Law of One, 36.9
70.8 Questioner: What I am trying to understand here is more about the higher self and its relationship with the mind/body/spirit complex. Does the higher self have a sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex that is a separate unit from the mind/body/spirit complex that is, in this case, displaced to negative time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The higher self is the entity of mid-sixth density which, turning back, offers this service to its self.
—Law of One, 70.8
70.9 Questioner: I think I have an erroneous concept of the mind/body/spirit complex, for instance, that I represent here in this density and my higher self. The concept probably comes from my concept of space and time. I am going to try to unscramble it. The way I see it right now is that I am existing in two different locations, here and in mid-sixth density, simultaneously. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future.
—Law of One, 70.9
“the veiling is … the single door against which the higher self must stand awaiting entry.”
—Law of One, 83.3; bold added by me
♦ Intelligent Energy ♦
According to the findingseth.com search engine, Seth only uses the expression ‘intelligent energy’ in one location, cited here below. In the Ra Material, the concept is of great importance as part of its expanded metaphysics and used in conjunction with the concept of ‘intelligent infinity.’ It is not certain to me that Seth meant the same thing as Ra did. Ra tends to use very precise language. The Ra contact was quite taxing on the channeler, Carla Rueckert and the Ra group seemed the very precise type of aliens, so brevity, when possible was characteristic. Seth, on the other hand, had great reign with channeler Jane Roberts and the resulting material is notably voluminous. Despite this, the concept of ‘intelligent energy’ is used far more frequently in the Ra Material and the citations given here are hardly exhaustive.
In the pertinent Seth Material (Session 59), the author explained in the previous portion (Session 58), the nature of the ego and its transcendental destiny in a broader, multi-life perspective. In this regard, it reminds me of what Ra calls a ‘sub-sub-logos’ and I thought of ‘intelligent energy’ as the ‘energy of the Logos.’ In this case, the sub-sub-logos, following the example of the Logos, makes use of intelligent energy for its own particular, differentiated ends.
SETH
“You have seen that the ego is a building block. It never becomes less than a unit, and may become more.”
“The fragments that may develop from it do not make it less. At one time I mentioned massive units or blocks of intelligent energy, pyramids of psychic comprehensions, of which I cannot tell you too much at this time; but perhaps you can begin to perceive now how such comprehensions could be formed.”
“Perhaps you can begin to sense the value fulfillment of such intelligent energy structures. You know very well that time as you know it has no meaning except within the domain of your own plane. I have hinted once in the past that I was touched by something that could be loosely related to, or substituted for, what you think of as time. It has nothing to do with intervals, or with beginnings or endings.”
—The Early Sessions 2, Session 59, June 3, 1964, bold added by me
RA
27.5 Questioner: It is not necessary to divide it. The definition of intelligent infinity as one part is sufficient. Could you please then define intelligent infinity?
Ra: I am Ra. This is exponentially simpler and less confusing. There is unity. This unity is all that there is. This unity has a potential and kinetic. The potential is intelligent infinity. Tapping this potential will yield work. This work has been called by us, intelligent energy.
The nature of this work is dependent upon the particular distortion of free will which in turn is the nature of a particular intelligent energy or kinetic focus of the potential of unity or that which is all.
—Law of One, 27.5, bold added by search engine
80.22 Questioner: Then by this contact also with intelligent energy can you give me an example of what this would be for both, for the contact with intelligent infinity and intelligent energy? Could you give me an example of what type of experience this would result in, if that’s at all possible?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last query of this working of full length. We have discussed the possibilities of contact with intelligent energy, for this energy is the energy of the Logos, and thus it is the energy which heals, builds, removes, destroys, and transforms all other-selves as well as the self…
—Law of One, 80.22, bold added by search engine
♦ Guardians ♦
It is not clear to me that the guardians which Seth introduces are the same entities as the guardians which Ra teaches. In fact, I suspect that Seth’s term encompasses a greater range of beings and does not necessarily include the entities that Ra briefly describes. I have included all of Ra’s response as it may give the student some added insight.
However, upon reflection, I realize that the Ra Material teaches that there is only one incarnation in seventh density. This seems to correspond to Seth’s remark: “…reincarnated for the last time to help keep it in some kind of order…” But then he says “there are also some, not physical.” Perhaps, they live in one of the parallel spirit planes of time/space.
SETH
Seth: “There are guardians, so to speak, within your system, reincarnated for the last time to help keep it in some kind of order while the others mature. There are also some, not physical, who keep an eye out over the whole proceedings.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 9, Session 498, page 369
RA
7.9 Questioner: I have a question here, I believe, about that Council from Jim. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?
Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.
In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called the Guardians.
The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.
These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.
—Law of One, 7.9, bold added by search engine
In the seventh density there is not this particular energy exchange as it is unnecessary to recycle body complexes.
—Law of One, 32.8, bold added by search engine
♦ Metaphysical Reality of Thought ♦
Seth introduces the concept that human thought exists outside of physical reality and that it is metaphysically superior to it. This is an important concept as part of any understanding of what Seth calls ‘camouflage reality’ or a ‘camouflage system.’ Where Seth says ‘camouflage,’ the Ra Material uses the term, ‘illusion.’ Where Ra refers to ‘green-ray,’ think of ‘fourth density’—the density which is above ‘third-density. Third-density is our physical world of illusion or ‘camouflage reality.’ When Ra speaks about thoughts as beings in fourth density (green-ray), he presents a concept that seems to be analogous with the idea of the inner being manifesting the physical body and associated physical experience. It’s more specific to fourth density than to thought in general, but worth mentioning here. Additionally, Ra introduces and uses the concept of the ‘thought-form.’ I find this notion resonates with the idea of ‘independent actuality’ as mentioned several times by Seth, especially in Session 123. I recommend that the student read this session in its entirety.
Each of these concepts, mental electrical reality, physical camouflage reality, third-density, fourth-density, thoughts as beings, thought-forms, and so forth, ties into and collaborates with other concepts so that it is impossible to explore one without an urge to expand into neighboring ideas in order to secure a more complete understanding.
SETH
“Matter has little effect within the electrical system, but the effects of the electrical system upon physical matter are great. Now. Thoughts, human thought, has an electric reality; a human thought exists as an independent electrical action, and as such it continues to exist within the electrical system long after it has left its point of origin. This is another important piece of information that will also be referred to later.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 122, January 18, 1965; bold added by me
“Nevertheless it must be clearly understood that thoughts and emotions are actualities in themselves, that directly work upon the physical mechanism. Any thought or emotion is bound to directly affect the physical body. Because thoughts and emotions, as electrical actualities, are independent from their subjective point of origin, a given thought or emotion, initiated by an individual, may be rejected by him and cast out. If the thought or emotion is similar to those usually accepted, then this will take time, for new electrical patterns must be set up. But an idea, thought or emotion so rejected still has independent actuality, and may be attracted to the emotional climate of another.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 123, January 20, 1965; bold added by me.
In a manner of speaking, you have created many probable gods through your own thoughts and desires. They become quite independent psychic entities, validities in other levels of existence.
——Seth Speaks, Chapter 16, Session 565, February 1, 1971
… In a projection the problems will be of a different sort. The form of a man for example, may be a thought form…
—The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 284 September 7, 1966; bold added by me; the purpose of this specific quote is to show that Seth does use the term ‘thought form,’ but probably not in an identical way as Ra.
“…When that point is reached, you will be able, if you prefer, to experience any “Reality-Illusion” at your will, but the self who experiences these “reality-illusions” will know itself as reality.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 7, page 185, Gene Asks About Past Lives, Session 303, November 26, 1966
RA
3.13 Questioner: What is everlasting rock?
Ra: I am Ra. If you can understand the concept of thought-forms you will realize that the thought-form is more regular in its distortion than the energy fields created by the materials in the rock which has been created through thought-form from thought to finite energy and beingness in your, shall we say, distorted reflection of the level of the thought-form.
—Law of One, 3.13; bold added by search engine
“…These beings were the thought-form or third-density-visible manifestation of our social memory complex as we offered contact from our intelligent infinity to the intelligent infinity of the stone.”
—Law of One, 27.2; bold added by me
“When the positive adept touches intelligent infinity from within, this is the most powerful of connections for it is the connection of the whole mind/body/spirit complex microcosm with the macrocosm. This connection enables the, shall we say, green-ray true color in time/space to manifest in your time/space. In green ray thoughts are beings. In your illusion this is normally not so.”
—Law of One, 50.9; bold added by me
3.11 Questioner: Was the pyramid then built by the mutual action of many of your people?
Ra: I am Ra. The pyramids which we thought/built were constructed from thought-forms created by our social memory complex.
—Law of One, 3.11; bold added by me
♦ Many Electromagnetic Fields Create Physical Reality ♦
Both Seth and Ra expound in what is necessarily rather general language that many electromagnetic fields are employed to bring about the physical universe which is thus a complex.
SETH
“Emotions are also, then, actualities within the overall electric system, existing not as representations of feeling, but as definite charged action. I want if possible to get the idea over that this system involves realities that are directly experienced and vivid, and also that in some ways emotions and thoughts are more directly perceived in that field than your physical field. They are more readily apparent, with more force behind them acting directly upon the electric environment, without any intermediary steps; that is, they, emotions and feelings and thoughts, exist immediately within the environment as electrical forces within that system. In your system they need to be translated and given reality by a method of interrelationships. Your field attains its actuality only as a result of the cooperating merger of many other independent systems.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 122 January 18, 1965; bold added by me
RA
The physical complex alone is created of many, many energy or electromagnetic fields interacting due to intelligent energy; the mental configurations or distortions of each complex further adding fields of electromagnetic energy and distorting the physical complex patterns of energy; the spiritual aspect serving as a further complexity of fields which is of itself perfect but which can be realized in many distorted and unintegrated ways by the mind and body complexes of energy fields.
Thus, instead of one, shall we say, magnet with one polarity you have in the body/mind/spirit complex one basic polarity expressed in what you would call violet-ray energy, the sum of the energy fields, but which is affected by thoughts of all kinds generated by the mind complex, by distortions of the body complex, and by the numerous relationships between the microcosm which is the entity and the macrocosm in many forms which you may represent by viewing the stars, as you call them, each with a contributing energy ray which enters the electromagnetic web of the entity due to its individual distortions.
—Law of One, 19.20; bold added by search engine
♦ Ever Present Possibility for all Humans to Transcend ♦
There’s always hope, no matter how unlikely it seems, that oneself and the human race could make the inward change and progress to the next level. In the Ra Material, this is known as fourth density or a ‘social memory complex.’
SETH
There are, then, probabilities quite present, and for that matter biologically practical, that would allow for a change in individual consciousness so great as literally to propel the race into another level of experience entirely.
—Unknown Reality, Section 1, Session 684; February 20, 1974
RA
This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
—Law of One, 65:12
♦ We Cannot Physically See Higher Densities ♦
Both Seth and Ra have taught that there are beings living in our own solar system, but we cannot see them because they exist in another time and in another density than our own.
SETH
“You are also viewing your solar system through your own time perspective, which is relative. You “look backward into time,” you say, when you stare outward into the universe. You could as well look into the future, of course. Your own coordinates close you off from recognizing that there are indeed other intelligences alive even within your own solar system. You will never meet them in your exterior reality, however, for you are not focused in the time period of their existence. You may physically visit the “very same planet” on which they reside, but to you the planet will appear barren, or not able to support life.”
—Unknown Reality, Section 4: Session 712 October 16, 1974, bold added by me
RA
6.6 Questioner: Then you… Would it be possible to take one of the people at that time from our planet and place him on Venus? Would he survive? Were conditions much [inaudible]?
Ra: The third-density conditions are not hospitable to the life-forms of your peoples. The fifth and sixth dimensions of that planetary sphere are quite conducive to growing/learning/teaching.
—Law of One, 6.6
89.12 Questioner: What is its [ie, of the planet Venus] density at present?
Ra: I am Ra. Its [Venus’] core vibrational frequency is sixth density. However we, as a social memory complex, had elected to leave that influence. Therefore, the beings inhabiting this planetary influence at this space/time are fifth-density entities. The planet may be considered a fifth/sixth-density planet.
—Law of One, 89.12
ADDITIONAL TOPICS for INCLUSION
These are topics I have yet to add. I need to find and include the appropriate references.
♦ Capacity to be in physical and spirit worlds simultaneously ♦
In a fundamental sense, a human being is always connected to the spirit world, that is, the world of time/space. However, Seth and Ra seem to inform us that an individual who is able to be consciously aware of both space/time (the physical world) and time/space (the non-physical world of the mind) while in a waking, conscious state, has access to next level knowledge and power.
SETH
“I have told you that it is possible to tune in on the dream universe. You know this is done during sleep. It can also be done in the so-called waking state.”
—The Early Sessions, Book 3, Session 118, January 4, 1965
“Once you begin consciously working with Framework 2, help, support, solutions, all begin to come, for you line up your conscious faculties with your unconscious ones, in the most beneficial way, and your conscious goals fit in with your unconscious natural goals—the primary ones given you at birth. You are set right with yourself again.”
—The Personal Sessions of the Deleted Seth Material, November 12, 1977
RA
74.8 Questioner: Would you answer it please?
Ra: I am Ra. We would be happy to answer this query. We understood the previous query as being of other import. The indigo ray is the ray of the adept. A great deal of the answer you seek is in this sentence. There is an identification between the crystallization of that energy center and the improvement of the working of the mind/body/spirit as it begins to transcend space/time balancing and to enter the combined realms of space/time and time/space.
—Law of One, 74:8
♦ Love, Energy, Light, Matter ♦
This correspondence is the metaphysical principle that Love, Energy, Light, and Matter are all related to each other.
SETH
RA
15.22 Questioner: You also said that you offered the Law of One, which is the balancing of love/light and light/love. Is there any difference between love/light and light/love?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final question of this time/space. There is the same difference between love/light and light/love as there is between teach/learning and learn/teaching. Love/light is the enabler, the power, the energy giver. Light/love is the manifestation which occurs when light has been impressed with love.
—Law of One, 15.22; bold added by search engine
29.12 Questioner: As the Love creates the vibration— I will make this statement, first. Let me say, I believe that Love creates the vibration in space/time in order to form the photon. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is essentially correct.
—Law of One, 29.12; bold italics added by me
Seth refers extensively to electrical fields that exist outside of our physical reality. Ra emphasizes that there is a metaphysical electricity.
Ra: 29.9 (distinguishes between ‘upon its surface’ and ‘within its electromagnetic field.’
♦ Egotistical Mind and the Way of Confusion ♦
Seth describes how the egotistical mind is the creature of the inner being, but lives its own native life. The egotistical mind often filters out many aspects of human experience. Ra presents the ‘Way of Confusion,’ earlier called ‘the Law of Confusion’ in the Ra Material with a whole corollary of metaphysical purpose with regard to third density and free will.
♦ Limiting Effects of Mass or Social Consciousness ♦
SETH
“Your dreams are private, as your waking life is, and yet there is a mass waking experience and a mass dreaming experience in which each individual finds his or her own place, and accepts or rejects events. In your terms, the race at any given “time” simultaneously works out problems in the dream state, and those solutions are then physically materialized. Because there is more freedom from time and space in the dream state, there is greater overall perspective; many solutions that may appear poor in the short range — as they are physically activated — will in the longer range be seen as highly creative.”
—Nature of Personal Reality, Chapter 20: Session 671, June 21, 1973; bold added by me
RA
“…an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves.”
—Law of One, 80.10
“…[The] disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.”
—Law of One, 80.12
♦ Disease Caused by Internal Discord of the Mind♦
It is important to remember that disease can come by other causes, as explained by Ra. This correspondence only deals with disease as a consequence of failure to use catalyst.
SETH
RA
Catalyst is offered to the entity. If it is not used by the mind complex it will then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some form of physical distortion. The more efficient the use of catalyst, the less physical distortion to be found.
—Law of One, 66.34
♦Worlds Before Earth♦
Both the Seth Material and the Law of One have reference to ages and worlds before ours. They both discuss Atlantis, true, but more particularly, they refer to wholesale planets other than earth in our own solar system. Ra discusses Mars and Maldek. Seth refers to ‘other earths.’
♦ All Realities Emerge from the Psyche ♦
SETH
“All Realities emerge from the psyche and from the consciousness units that compose it.”
—Unknown Reality, Session 712, October 16, 1974